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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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for Monday mm-hmm Monday the 29th of

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December 2014 Richard Saunders here with

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you from Sydney Australia sorry the

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shows a day late this week Christmassy

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things got in the way when I set to

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record the show last night power tools

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from the neighbor got in the way flight

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paths got in the way and my tired voice

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got in the way nevermind enough with

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these silly excuses what's coming up on

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today's show we're going to kick off

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with an interview may not conduct it at

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the recent Australian skeptics

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convention with Jay novella oh what a

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fine fellow he is Jay novella from the

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skeptics guide to the universe and of

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course we note that rebecca watson has

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just decided to step down from the

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skeptics guide to the universe after

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nine years on the show that's a mighty

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long run folks nine years anywhere as

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the mighty long run and of course it'll

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be interesting to see what rebecca takes

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on next anyway he rebecca is mentioned

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by jay during the course of this

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interview Joe novella and the rest of

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the gang is such wonderful people I was

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their bus driver a few weeks ago on a

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trip to Canberra and there were

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on that trip after that it's a week and

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said that what no week in science a week

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in science is taking a holiday this week

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hmm maybe I just play the music now we

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look forward to more a week in science

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in 2015 of course then I'll report on

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the recent court decision involving

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homeopathy plus who had on their website

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in previous years articles promoting the

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fact that the current vaccine for

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whooping cough pertussis was ineffective

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and anyway you could certainly immunize

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culminated in a big court case folks in

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the decision was handed down a few days

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report on the decision and the

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ramifications coming up but now it's

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the waffle iron and make an awful lot of

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here's Maynard spooky action at a

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airless room with this guy who we got

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here gee novella from the skeptics guide

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and look to give you a visual here think

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Ric Ocasek want any cars film clip from

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the eighties that's what you're wearing

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it's good I wonder what music you into

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follow-up present this year lovely yeah

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it was great Wow and it was the you he

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that novela family amazing I'm what an

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amazing bunch of people you are what has

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legitimately like you'd ask us questions

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about the characters what do we think

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search of an impurity night sir Leonard

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family Wow and one thing I do love on

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movie review now it's coming around full

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circle it's always exciting to hear a

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skeptical and a scientific review of a

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videos right we make some comedy skits

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love you did all the skeptical caveman

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that was you yeah so octa skeptical

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dozen skits that we have up on our

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youtube channel and you know i learned a

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lot from that and as I as I you know

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friends that are experts at it you know

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me so much so now when i go i have a bag

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of tricks now and i watch a movie i can

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watch it as a director i can watch it

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deeper deeper sense but the storytelling

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idea and the things I've learned about

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flare it was too much yeah when you

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a car driving my front yard coming on

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the television that look you Rebecca to

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her laugh and easier way i'm happy if i

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can i can succeed neither of you know

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items that really get you is there a

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particular sort of woo or particular

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vaccination issue would be much stronger

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even now than buzzed before yeah yeah

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you know when you have a child you see

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I'll help us they are you know it puts

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vaccinations are so easy and so painless

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and so inexpensive if not free and

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to to not get their kids vaccinated they

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so it's so obvious so you know any kid

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chiropractor you know there's not even a

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fully developed spine and you're letting

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someone who is an ad medical doctor like

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issue with anyone yet another payment

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yeah yeah you know the the hope my whole

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day job thing I work with a lot of

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people and

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they do the yearly vaccinations know

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that they bring the nurses in and we

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have a conference room and everyone can

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get it and I talk to people I like

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trying to encourage people you know I

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should go get vaccinated you know what

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I'm trying to like do the don't be a

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dick thing I really practice that for a

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long time and there's one guy in

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particular you just fly outside me my

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family my kids none of us are getting

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vaccinated and I'm like I can't get over

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it and I don't know what to do and I

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feel like it's my job because I'm the

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skeptic and I'm the really informed one

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like I need to figure out a way to do it

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it's just at some point you just have to

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realize you can't change everyone you

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know you can only change the little

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small parts of the world that you can

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get your hands on and everything else

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you just have to learn to accept and by

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pushing you could even make it lists

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absolutely yeah you don't certainly

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don't want to turn anybody off the

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science and critical thinking you know

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you want them to consider it you know

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maybe it's a new novel idea to them so

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what about the ambit teething bracelets

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and stuff for the kids if they got that

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one in the US yeah we have that of

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course usually plastic anyway I don't

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usually amber anyway yeah exactly i mean

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okay like the only thing that's bad

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about that is if it's an actual choking

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hazard no i mean sure you could give

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your kid some medication or whatever the

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teething you know comes and goes so

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other than kids choking whatever you

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know like I'm not too worried about that

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one even though it's just stupid it's a

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sign of like oh come on really you're

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gonna you're barely doing any research

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on something you're putting in your

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child's mouth like you know what can I

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do you I just tell people yeah that's

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nonsense you know talk to your doctor

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find a good you find a good doctor and

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listen to them the skeptics got to the

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university's accept that is the gold

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standard of skepticism I thought I'd

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have a listened to the gold standard of

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paranormal as a podcast called the power

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cast not as good as you that the

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production's not as good as you guys I

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haven't heard them so what do they talk

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about well it's one guy with another guy

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and they get guests on but it's not the

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panel format you've got then they don't

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tend to do a news section that sort of

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thing that mainly have guests on its

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compared to your format it's a bit lazy

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well I I just like to say at this point

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we've worked very hard to to refine our

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show even though Steve kind of nailed it

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in the beginning we had a list of the

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segments and all that stuff we've worked

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very hard to to you know you know

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develop radio voices to know how to

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communicate a huge thing you reading on

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up the rod equipment to you've nailed

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the right equipment onto a absolutely

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trial and error I talk to people you

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know

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I did sound reinforcement I was in a

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band for 21 years and I did sound

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reinforcement but you know today the

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gear is like exploding there's so much

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wonderful gear and it's all for you

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relatively affordable but you know

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developing the skills to to you know

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read news items and turn them into

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something that people will understand

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you know I have to do the research to

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understand it myself then I have to

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figure out what's the best way to

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communicate this so people are really

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going to get it and that be turned off

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by the complexity or you know get rid of

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the boring bits and just you know focus

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on the things that people would be

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interested in its all skill sets you

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know look at you you're your radio host

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you did when you were a teenager you

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didn't have any of these skills right

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now well I certainly spoke much faster

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even though i do now that's like you

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just work at it you get good and then

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use it man and then you get someone on

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your phone your Facebook page gay now

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that wasn't very good I can ignore it it

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whatever did that's you know you watch

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your policy for the height is all right

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so early on like it you know i would get

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very upset I'd be like you I'm working

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very hard over here and I'm you know I

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find the work that I do it takes all my

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free time you know took time away from

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family and all that and I get offended

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today on facebook I'm like bring it on

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you want to do that all you're doing is

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making people jump on my facebook page

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and join in on the conversation I'm

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seeing skeptics come on and do the

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defending that I don't need to do it

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anymore no our listeners are doing it

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and they're honing their chops and

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getting good and and this is the best

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part I'm seeing people tell other people

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could we please have a rational

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discussion don't be a dick you know if

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you don't come here and have something

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legitimate to say can't communicate in a

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friendly and interesting and provocative

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but ultimately you know being good to

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each other they get the hell out of here

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and that's awesome right so the message

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is delivered nothing clear and with the

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the skepticism seen developing over the

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years to you guys really interested in

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talking about the politics of the

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movement or not really now you know it

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putt the politics is just humanity yeah

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and you go to any movement whatever it

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is I don't care just name any group of

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people that are together doing something

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as a collective and you're going to have

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all of these different things happen

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right it's just part of the background

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human noise you know I'm not in it I

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don't care about that stuff like it's

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bad whatever you know this guy did that

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that guy did whatever I want to produce

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content I want to help educate people I

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want to educate myself I want to enjoy

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myself and I

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want to change the world and if I focus

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on those other things I'm not going to

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be doing this stuff that I'm actually

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good at because it becomes like a

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skeptical gossip show yeah I'm not a

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clearinghouse for skeptical issues in

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drama like your life I want drama I'm

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going to go see a good movie I'm not

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going to like talk about the drama in

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the skeptical big society get get out of

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here this give me a good news item and

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i'll talk to you about that and this

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show is taking you guys around the loan

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yeah yeah we're very fortunate I mean

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you know I'd like to say it's been an

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enormous amount of hard work a new band

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hits the scene never heard them before

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right you know I'm sorry but that's not

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the first song that they've recorded and

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that's not the first good song that they

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probably recorded you're seeing a band

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after they've been together probably 10

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or 15 years and that's the way I look at

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us and we've been working really hard

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we're reaping you know some rewards out

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of it it's still hard work this trip is

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hard work you know I took two weeks of

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vacation from my day job and it's not

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vacation I'm just working working

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working seven shows in two weeks as a

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show every other day so it's it's worth

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it though right i'm here i am talking to

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you in australia is koala bears with

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iphones in bundaberg listening to you

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streaming the show right now yeah I just

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want a few days off like with nothing to

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do and Steve doesn't have my phone

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number so what's it like Roundy the

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second time but have you got any

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different view of Australia this time is

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there anything been reinforced about us

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well I first of all you know we

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developed relationships with a lot of

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the Australian skeptics because they

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come to Tam United States right our

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first trip here I got engaged it was it

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was totally magical this time coming

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back you know I was more excited to see

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my friends like Richard Saunders and

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everyone in Iran and Joe and everyone

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there's so many people here that we love

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I didn't have as much time to vacation

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but I realized on this trip that I

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didn't realize the first time how much I

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loved Sidney I love this city and is

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that the hob of use is it the sky the

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way it is what is it I every city most

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good modern cities have an infusion of

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art and everything that the people here

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are very easy to get along with you know

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i'm a new york city guy so it's it's

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it's a rough city you know you don't use

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not like that much friendly in this

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happening i want to talk bad about the

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city i love it is a wonderful city but

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Sydney just has a charm about it as an

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ease about it it it smells good the

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subways don't have

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order the coffee here is fantastic mmm

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yeah we have a lot of coffee Nazis in

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this country yeah they just they know

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how to roast their coffee they don't had

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a brewer correctly I just love it and

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I'm very comfortable here I've been to a

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lot of cities in Sydney is like the most

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comfortable in this city and I love the

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Australian people and you know why

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because you're in Australia you know you

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just have a wonderful country I love we

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just say hello oh yeah what's going on

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everyone's friendly I mean it just

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doesn't seem to be a lot of that like

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fast walking anger here it's like more

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flip flops and let's hang out and have a

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beer you know that's more my speed now

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can you let us in any future direction

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of the skeptics car to the universe you

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guys going to open a bus company or

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something like that is something really

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different um no I mean get to go bust

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like the Partridge Family that'll be

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great yeah I mean I could see us doing a

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tour around the United States and a bus

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that would be fun yeah the future of the

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skeptics guide is you know we're

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continuing to broaden the things that we

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do so this year you know we introduced

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our news page we've been putting a lot

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of attention into our social media you

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know Facebook page is definitely went

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from 60,000 likes to half a million

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likes you know in nine months you know

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that was deliberate it took a ton of

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hard work we simply just want more

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people to hear about the podcast and and

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you know it's hard to do it we're

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constantly experimenting then like we

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said before I love to shoot video and we

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have a pretty interesting new video

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project not the octane that's coming out

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very soon we have a new project that it

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has something to do a movie reviews that

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hopefully we'll be able to produce next

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year it won't now a come someone like

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National Geographic discovery channel

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hasn't approached you and said look

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here's this do it your way give it a go

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we'll give you two months say hey go we

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have been I mean we shot to pilot

535
00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:19,909
episodes for National Geographic

536
00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:22,610
actually a year and a half ago you know

537
00:18:27,820 --> 00:18:26,240
make having a TV show get shot and then

538
00:18:30,460 --> 00:18:27,830
actually have it make it to the air is

539
00:18:32,169 --> 00:18:30,470
almost impossible yeah they say industry

540
00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:32,179
people told me many times it's like yet

541
00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:33,679
to win the lottery three times they have

542
00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:35,360
to find you they have to be willing to

543
00:18:37,810 --> 00:18:36,530
put the money up and then they have to

544
00:18:40,060 --> 00:18:37,820
actually put the things that they create

545
00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:40,070
on the TV which that you know basically

546
00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:41,330
and not destroy what you had in the

547
00:18:44,500 --> 00:18:43,130
process exactly that's hard to because

548
00:18:46,060 --> 00:18:44,510
you know you're nobody you know you know

549
00:18:47,380 --> 00:18:46,070
I'm not I'm not Bill Nye going and

550
00:18:48,430 --> 00:18:47,390
saying look I'm gonna I'm going to

551
00:18:49,870 --> 00:18:48,440
produce this and I'm going to make sure

552
00:18:51,159 --> 00:18:49,880
the quality is there so we're we were

553
00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:51,169
fighting the whole way not in a bad way

554
00:18:53,510 --> 00:18:52,050
but you know just try

555
00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:53,520
to make sure that you know it's not

556
00:18:56,750 --> 00:18:55,170
schlocky that we've the science has to

557
00:18:58,520 --> 00:18:56,760
be real and we're not going to pretend

558
00:19:00,860 --> 00:18:58,530
that we saw a ghost or any of that

559
00:19:03,170 --> 00:19:00,870
nonsense and the two pilots that we shot

560
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:03,180
were fantastic I saw them they just do

561
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:04,290
what happened was our executive producer

562
00:19:08,570 --> 00:19:06,210
left for another company and all of her

563
00:19:11,810 --> 00:19:08,580
projects just evaporated we just shot

564
00:19:13,490 --> 00:19:11,820
another pilot for a private production

565
00:19:14,990 --> 00:19:13,500
company that was looking for content and

566
00:19:16,490 --> 00:19:15,000
they're trying to shop it around right

567
00:19:17,930 --> 00:19:16,500
now you know how it is it says it's

568
00:19:19,460 --> 00:19:17,940
probably never going to happen but when

569
00:19:21,290 --> 00:19:19,470
the opportunity you know comes we will

570
00:19:22,850 --> 00:19:21,300
always be there to shoot a video and the

571
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good thing you know you know that you're

572
00:19:26,420 --> 00:19:24,540
doing good content you know that you're

573
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just not their flavor at this time in

574
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:28,770
this place yeah and I'm you know I look

575
00:19:32,030 --> 00:19:30,690
my goal is not to get on TV you know I

576
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mean that would be great but it's not

577
00:19:35,180 --> 00:19:33,780
the thing i'm fiending for you know I'm

578
00:19:36,890 --> 00:19:35,190
doing what I want to be doing you know

579
00:19:38,420 --> 00:19:36,900
i'm spending time with the most

580
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:38,430
important people in my life producing

581
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content we love each other and we love

582
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,210
doing what we do and the podcast is a

583
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:44,640
phenomenal awesome achievement in my

584
00:19:47,390 --> 00:19:46,050
life it's the bits probably the most

585
00:19:50,030 --> 00:19:47,400
important thing next to my family that

586
00:19:51,860 --> 00:19:50,040
I'll ever do and I'm there I'm happy

587
00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:51,870
with where we are I really am look thank

588
00:19:55,070 --> 00:19:53,160
you for visiting Australia again I'll

589
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:55,080
finish with look the burning skeptical

590
00:19:59,240 --> 00:19:57,120
question which is is it like spy skills

591
00:20:02,150 --> 00:19:59,250
or Village People what is it a command

592
00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:02,160
village people man so you didn't even

593
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:03,780
have to think that that came from the

594
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:05,490
non thinking part of the reptiles right

595
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,890
yeah now Spice Girls were okay for a

596
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:09,360
song and a half but you know village

597
00:20:29,870 --> 00:20:27,710
hello on Allah needle on solo scoffs of

598
00:20:32,060 --> 00:20:29,880
dip mermans been to an at low so another

599
00:20:37,370 --> 00:20:32,070
skeptic zone for weeds and stop and

600
00:20:54,290 --> 00:20:37,380
Katie Schneider moving from RC Hana we

601
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movie burn skeptics own funds TV on the

602
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:55,890
twenty-second of december this year i

603
00:21:00,140 --> 00:20:57,450
found myself in the federal court of

604
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:00,150
australia here in sydney to see justice

605
00:21:06,170 --> 00:21:02,450
perry via video link from adelaide

606
00:21:07,940 --> 00:21:06,180
declare that homeopathy plus engaged in

607
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:07,950
conduct that was misleading and

608
00:21:13,550 --> 00:21:10,530
deceptive always likely to mislead and

609
00:21:15,610 --> 00:21:13,560
deceive this was the result of

610
00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:15,620
homeopathy plus placing on their website

611
00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:20,220
from january 2011 to around april 2012

612
00:21:24,820 --> 00:21:22,130
an article entitled whooping cough

613
00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:24,830
homeopathic prevention and treatment

614
00:21:29,780 --> 00:21:27,960
which was subsequently if I follow my

615
00:21:35,540 --> 00:21:29,790
timeline correctly taken down that but

616
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:35,550
then put up again around 2013 the

617
00:21:40,610 --> 00:21:37,890
article whooping cough homeopathic

618
00:21:44,270 --> 00:21:40,620
prevention and treatment and again

619
00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:44,280
another article in 2012 from 2012-2013

620
00:21:50,410 --> 00:21:46,740
entitled government data shows whooping

621
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,420
cough vaccine a failure this led to

622
00:21:54,850 --> 00:21:53,280
complaints being made to the a triple c

623
00:21:59,840 --> 00:21:54,860
the australian competition and consumer

624
00:22:03,080 --> 00:21:59,850
commission by amongst others i imagine

625
00:22:07,850 --> 00:22:03,090
our dr. ken harvey who filed a complaint

626
00:22:10,750 --> 00:22:07,860
in march 2012 more about that later when

627
00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:10,760
australian skeptics when we saw that the

628
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:13,080
homeopathy plus and fan Sheffield had

629
00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:16,170
published these articles she was

630
00:22:21,530 --> 00:22:18,510
nominated for the bent spoon award in

631
00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:21,540
2012 as an aside she was also nominated

632
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:24,360
this year for suggesting that homeopathy

633
00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:28,410
could be used to treat Ebola but in 2012

634
00:22:34,430 --> 00:22:30,750
she won the bed spoon award awarded by

635
00:22:35,140 --> 00:22:34,440
James Randi for pushing this article

636
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:35,150
that

637
00:22:39,140 --> 00:22:37,290
homeopathy could be used to treat

638
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:39,150
pertussis whooping cough however

639
00:22:44,539 --> 00:22:40,770
following the complaints made the a

640
00:22:46,850 --> 00:22:44,549
Triple C in February 2013 it did take

641
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,860
action against homeopathy Plus which led

642
00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:49,440
to a court case which went on for some

643
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:52,140
months and culminated in the judgment

644
00:22:58,210 --> 00:22:55,290
being read by justjust Perry via video

645
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:58,220
link from Adelaide as mentioned before I

646
00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:01,679
was there with Peter bowditch ratbags

647
00:23:06,530 --> 00:23:04,620
calm Ian Bryce from Australian skeptics

648
00:23:09,310 --> 00:23:06,540
our chief investigator and our friend

649
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,320
Maureen Chuck also in the court was

650
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:12,240
francha field from homeopathy plus and a

651
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,010
young lady whom i believe was her

652
00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:16,799
daughter and a couple of court officials

653
00:23:23,330 --> 00:23:20,100
legal representation originally the time

654
00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:23,340
of the decision sat down for 2 p.m. the

655
00:23:27,169 --> 00:23:25,049
skeptics turned up at two p.m. only to

656
00:23:28,909 --> 00:23:27,179
find that the matter had been delayed to

657
00:23:32,890 --> 00:23:28,919
later on in the afternoon so we all went

658
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:32,900
away came back sat in the court and

659
00:23:41,470 --> 00:23:35,730
finally finally according to my notes

660
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:41,480
here at 457 her honor entered the court

661
00:23:48,620 --> 00:23:44,850
via video from Adelaide we all stood up

662
00:23:51,950 --> 00:23:48,630
and bowed as is tradition sat down and

663
00:23:54,289 --> 00:23:51,960
then we heard her honor read the

664
00:23:56,930 --> 00:23:54,299
following Australian Competition and

665
00:24:00,250 --> 00:23:56,940
Consumer Commission applicant homeopathy

666
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:00,260
plus Australia proportion limited ACN

667
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:04,770
134 266 149 and other named in the

668
00:24:11,630 --> 00:24:09,450
schedule respondent order judge justice

669
00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:11,640
Perry date of order twenty-second of

670
00:24:18,919 --> 00:24:15,809
December 2014 made where Adelaide the

671
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,929
Court declares that one the first

672
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:20,640
respondent and the second respondent

673
00:24:26,780 --> 00:24:24,809
have a trade in commerce a engaged in

674
00:24:29,270 --> 00:24:26,790
conduct that was misleading and

675
00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:29,280
deceptive always likely to mislead and

676
00:24:37,090 --> 00:24:32,910
deceive in contravention of section 18

677
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:37,100
of the Australian Consumer Law ACL and

678
00:24:41,870 --> 00:24:40,440
be in connection with the supply or

679
00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:41,880
possible supply of homeopathic

680
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:44,340
treatments or products homeopathic

681
00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:47,100
treatments and in connection with the

682
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:48,179
promotion of

683
00:24:52,609 --> 00:24:50,220
the supply of homeopathic treatments

684
00:24:55,609 --> 00:24:52,619
made false or misleading representations

685
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,619
that the vaccine publicly available in

686
00:25:01,279 --> 00:24:58,320
Australia for whooping cough vaccine is

687
00:25:06,259 --> 00:25:01,289
of a particular standard or quality in

688
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:06,269
contravention of section 29 1 a and B of

689
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:09,600
the ACL by publishing or causing to be

690
00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:14,610
published on the website wewt plus Comte

691
00:25:23,239 --> 00:25:19,559
you website see from 1 january 2011

692
00:25:25,399 --> 00:25:23,249
until around 26 april 2012 an article

693
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:25,409
entitled whooping cough homeopathic

694
00:25:29,989 --> 00:25:27,690
prevention and treatment the first

695
00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:29,999
whooping cough article in which a

696
00:25:34,239 --> 00:25:32,100
representation was made to the effect

697
00:25:37,369 --> 00:25:34,249
that the vaccine is short-lived

698
00:25:41,299 --> 00:25:37,379
unreliable and no longer effective in

699
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:41,309
protecting against whooping cough d from

700
00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:45,179
11 januari 2013 until around March 2013

701
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:47,929
an article entitled whooping cough

702
00:25:53,419 --> 00:25:50,970
homeopathic prevention and treatment the

703
00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:53,429
second whooping cough article in which

704
00:25:57,340 --> 00:25:55,590
representation was made to the effect

705
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:57,350
that the vaccine may not be the best

706
00:26:03,409 --> 00:26:00,720
solution for or is of limited effect and

707
00:26:06,019 --> 00:26:03,419
is unreliable at best in protecting

708
00:26:09,259 --> 00:26:06,029
against whooping cough and E from three

709
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:09,269
Fred berry 2012 until around March 2013

710
00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:11,369
an article entitled government data

711
00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:13,529
shows whooping cough vaccine a failure

712
00:26:18,980 --> 00:26:16,679
the government article in which a

713
00:26:20,659 --> 00:26:18,990
representation was made to the effect

714
00:26:22,609 --> 00:26:20,669
that the vaccine is largely ineffective

715
00:26:25,999 --> 00:26:22,619
in protecting against whooping cough

716
00:26:27,769 --> 00:26:26,009
when in fact the vaccine is effective in

717
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:27,779
protecting a significant majority of

718
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,730
people who are exposed to the whooping

719
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:31,679
cough infection from contracting

720
00:26:36,619 --> 00:26:34,710
whooping cough to the first respondent

721
00:26:40,190 --> 00:26:36,629
and the second respondent have been

722
00:26:43,009 --> 00:26:40,200
trade or commerce a engaged in conduct

723
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:43,019
that was misleading and deceptive or

724
00:26:48,909 --> 00:26:45,480
likely to mislead and deceive in

725
00:26:51,980 --> 00:26:48,919
contravention of section 18 of the ACL

726
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,990
be in connection with the supply or

727
00:26:55,580 --> 00:26:53,279
possible supply of homeopathic

728
00:26:57,769 --> 00:26:55,590
treatments and in connection with the

729
00:26:59,419 --> 00:26:57,779
promotion of the supply of homeopathic

730
00:27:01,230 --> 00:26:59,429
treatments made false or misleading

731
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:01,240
representations that the

732
00:27:05,670 --> 00:27:02,890
homeopathic treatments are of particular

733
00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:05,680
standard or quality in contravention of

734
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:11,350
section 29 1 a and B of the ACL and c in

735
00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:13,330
connection with the supply or possible

736
00:27:17,460 --> 00:27:15,700
supply of homeopathic treatments and in

737
00:27:19,620 --> 00:27:17,470
connection with the promotion of the

738
00:27:21,810 --> 00:27:19,630
supply of homeopathic treatments made

739
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:21,820
false or misleading representations that

740
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:24,250
homeopathic treatments have a use or

741
00:27:31,530 --> 00:27:27,520
benefit in contravention of section 29 1

742
00:27:34,530 --> 00:27:31,540
G of the ACR by publishing or causing to

743
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:34,540
be published on their website d the

744
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:37,360
first whooping cough article ii the

745
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:40,930
second whooping cough article and f the

746
00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:42,850
government article in conjunction with

747
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:45,040
the second whooping cough article in

748
00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:47,290
which representations were made to the

749
00:27:52,290 --> 00:27:49,750
effect that there was a reasonable basis

750
00:27:54,990 --> 00:27:52,300
in the sense of an adequate foundation

751
00:27:57,330 --> 00:27:55,000
in medical science to enable it or them

752
00:27:59,250 --> 00:27:57,340
as the case may be the state that

753
00:28:01,890 --> 00:27:59,260
homeopathic treatments are a safe and

754
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:01,900
effective alternative to vaccine for

755
00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:04,450
prevention of whooping cough when in

756
00:28:09,810 --> 00:28:07,780
fact g there is no reasonable basis in

757
00:28:12,570 --> 00:28:09,820
the sense of an adequate foundation in

758
00:28:14,430 --> 00:28:12,580
medical science to enable the first

759
00:28:16,290 --> 00:28:14,440
respondent in the second respondent to

760
00:28:19,410 --> 00:28:16,300
state that homeopathic treatments are

761
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:19,420
safe and effective as an alternative to

762
00:28:24,150 --> 00:28:21,130
vaccine for the prevention of whooping

763
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:24,160
cough and h the vaccine is the only

764
00:28:28,650 --> 00:28:26,770
treatment currently approved for use and

765
00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:28,660
accepted by medical practitioners in

766
00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:30,820
australia for the prevention of whooping

767
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:34,270
cough the court orders that three the

768
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,730
matter is listed for directions at

769
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:38,320
nine-thirty a.m. on wednesday for

770
00:28:43,260 --> 00:28:41,110
februari 2015 in order to set a

771
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:43,270
timetable for any further evidence on

772
00:28:47,790 --> 00:28:45,210
the questions of penalties and

773
00:28:50,550 --> 00:28:47,800
submissions including on the injunctive

774
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,560
and other final orders sought by the

775
00:28:54,860 --> 00:28:53,200
applicant it didn't take long for this

776
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:54,870
decision to be tweeted and facebooked

777
00:28:59,790 --> 00:28:58,090
and whatever full round the world the a

778
00:29:03,450 --> 00:28:59,800
Triple C to the Australian Competition

779
00:29:06,090 --> 00:29:03,460
and Consumer Commission sent out this

780
00:29:12,530 --> 00:29:06,100
press release as published on December

781
00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:12,540
the 23rd 2014 at ww a Triple C gov au

782
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:15,220
Court finds homeopathy plus

783
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,640
vaccine claims misleading the federal

784
00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:20,320
court has found that homeopathy plus

785
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:22,870
proprietary limited homeopathy plus and

786
00:29:28,529 --> 00:29:25,809
its director miss Fran Sheffield engaged

787
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:28,539
in misleading conduct and made false or

788
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:30,730
misleading representations regarding the

789
00:29:35,580 --> 00:29:32,710
effectiveness of the whooping cough

790
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:35,590
vaccine and homeopathic remedies as an

791
00:29:41,549 --> 00:29:38,110
alternative in breach of the Australian

792
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:41,559
Consumer Law the homeopathy plus website

793
00:29:46,820 --> 00:29:43,809
contains statements to the effect that

794
00:29:50,430 --> 00:29:46,830
the whooping cough vaccine is quote

795
00:29:53,010 --> 00:29:50,440
unreliable at best unquote and quote

796
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:53,020
largely ineffective unquote in

797
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:54,970
preventing whooping cough and that

798
00:29:59,850 --> 00:29:57,730
homeopathic remedies are a proven safe

799
00:30:01,860 --> 00:29:59,860
and effective alternative for the

800
00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:01,870
prevention of whooping cough the court

801
00:30:06,299 --> 00:30:04,150
found that homeopathy plus and mr.

802
00:30:08,669 --> 00:30:06,309
Sheffield engaged in misleading and

803
00:30:10,740 --> 00:30:08,679
deceptive conduct and made false or

804
00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:10,750
misleading representations by publishing

805
00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:12,520
statements on the homeopathy plus

806
00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:15,700
website to the effect that point the

807
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:17,640
whooping cough vaccine is short-lived

808
00:30:24,539 --> 00:30:21,520
unreliable and no longer effective point

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the vaccine may not be the best solution

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for or limited effect and is unreliable

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at best in protecting against whooping

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cough and point the vaccine is largely

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ineffective in protecting against

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whooping cough when in fact the whooping

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cough vaccine is effective in protecting

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a significant majority of people from

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contracting whooping cough the court

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also found that homeopathy plus and miss

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sheffield engaged in misleading and

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deceptive conduct and made false and

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misleading representations to the fact

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that there was an adequate foundation in

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medical science for the statement that

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homeopathic treatments are a safe and

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effective alternative to the whooping

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cough vaccine when in fact no such

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Foundation exists and the vaccine is the

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only treatment currently approved for

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use and accepted by medical

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practitioners for the prevention of

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whooping cough quote representations

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that may mislead consumers about the

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effectiveness of medical products or

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treatments are of significant concern to

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the a Triple C

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a triple see Commissioner Sarah court

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said quote in this case there was a real

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risk that consumers might be influenced

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by the representations not to use the

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whooping cough vaccine and instead rely

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solely on homeopathic products for the

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Prevention of whooping cough this is

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against the advice of medical

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professionals and the Commonwealth's

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Department of Health and quote the

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matter it turns the court on the fourth

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of februari 2015 to set a timetable for

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further evidence on penalties and other

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remedies the a triple c is seeking

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injunctions and pecuniary penalties in

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addition to the declarations already

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made by the court background whooping

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cough is a highly infectious respiratory

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disease which is most serious in young

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children the Australian Government

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Department of Health recommends children

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receive the whooping cough vaccine as

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part of a routine childhood immunization

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in April 2012 homeopathy plus removed

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representations from its website at the

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request of the HLC after the eight

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triples he had expressed concern they

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were misleading similar claims were then

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reinstated in January 2013 after the a

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Triple C initiated proceedings against

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homeopathy plus and miss Sheffield this

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is no small victory for the forces of

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science and reason and I have no doubt

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that the people at homeopathy plus

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really thought that they would win this

871
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case because they probably somewhere

872
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really think that this magical sugar

873
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water they promote and sell can cure or

874
00:33:11,459 --> 00:33:09,039
treat just about anything so of course

875
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they think it can treat pertussis all

876
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the information they get agrees with

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their point of view that homeopathy can

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treat pertussis it also agrees with our

879
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:19,690
point of view that the current vaccine

880
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:22,960
is next to worthless and you can

881
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:25,570
vaccinate kids anyway with homeopathy a

882
00:33:30,659 --> 00:33:29,289
sad case of delusion and dilution it

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will be interesting to see what the

884
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court sets down as a penalties in this

885
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:36,399
situation and the skeptic zone will keep

886
00:33:41,289 --> 00:33:38,609
you abreast of that when it happens but

887
00:33:43,299 --> 00:33:41,299
finally thanks to dr. ken harvey who

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did right to the a Triple C back in

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March 2012 and the point there is that

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he used official channels to make a

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complaint using the official form from

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00:33:59,289 --> 00:33:56,659
the a Triple C filled it out correctly

893
00:34:01,629 --> 00:33:59,299
included screenshots and the reason for

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his complaint which it makes a very

895
00:34:08,589 --> 00:34:04,999
important point skeptics skeptics own

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and all sorts of people like us can find

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these matters and make a fuss about them

898
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and report on them and comment on them

899
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but at the end of the day by and large

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it does take government action which can

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take some time to make real changes what

902
00:34:30,309 --> 00:34:27,619
I hope is that this case will set a

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precedent and more people with

904
00:34:35,020 --> 00:34:32,030
questionable remedies and so forth

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engaged in trade and commerce will come

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up before the a triple see links to the

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decision and other URLs can be found

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few of those around the country this to

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remind you or to let you know for the

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documentary I made last year with the

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benefit of vaccination and warning them

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or showing them what it was like before

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the time of widespread vaccination also

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mean the skeptic zone would have been

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produced in two thousand eight nine ten

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today but for this week and for this

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yeah oh I bet I know what you want all

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right here we go yes Fred likes water

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from the bathroom tap it's the only